uite si in Romania ce face vaccinul antirujeolic...

[ana1977]

--- In autismaba@yahoogroups.com, "Sofia" <eteniex@...> wrote:

Hello Sharon,

I would suggest you to decline the vaccine for your new baby. There
are mercury free vaccines to buy from Germany that are 100% mercury
free. Here in FL you can get a waiver from the health department in
case the day-care or school requires the shot record. The pediatrician
might give you a hard time, mine did, but just be strong and do what
you feel is the safest for your child. Do your researsh, there are
1000 of websites regarding mercury and Autism.
I am convinced my son became autistic after he recieved his MMR and
hipB vaccines at 12 mnths. He was developing perfectly up til that
point them he lost his words, became introvert, not recocnizing family
members,hand flapping, lining up everything etc etc.
He is now 3 and efter very intensive therapy he is now using words
again but has a really hard time socially and also to learn if outside
the controlled therapy environment.
Good Luck,
Sofia

[ana1977]

--- In autismaba@yahoogroups.com, Lauren Askew <lauren_askew2003@...>
wrote:

Thank you to all who have responded again on this topic. I do
understand that it is a sore subject for many, and an issue of great
contraversy (sp?)... hey, you should hear the "discussions" between me
and my mother-in-law about this matter! I really appreciate
everyone's input! Unfortunately, the thing that i have found the most
comforting is the difficulty that was shared between the parents and
their pediatricians (I know, I know, a whole different topic). But
maybe, just maybe, if we can continue the open dialogue within and
without the community of families affected by Autism, then we might be
able to find an answer.

Is there a connection? Is there predisposition? Is there a
healthier way to vaccinate? How much mercury is a trace? Does the
"trace" amount still add up? There are all these questions, yet
without public attention and scrutiny (sp?) they will continue to go
unaswered. Ignorence is not bliss; it is but a mere state of denying
oneself the truth, and by withholding the truth everything will begin
to unravel. If the mercury does play a role, then we are exposing
children by the thousands. If it does not, then we are potentially
increasing the odds of other deadly diseases to reoccur by those who
are cautious and do not vaccinate. Neither answer is one we want to
hear; however, without any aswer we are not any better off. If there
was some way to keep one child from getting Autism, it would be worth
an answer.

Thanks again for sharing,
Lauren
Eugene & Kathryn Dakin <ekdakin@...> wrote:
I have always said "my son doesn't have his voice so they are going to
hear
mine". Some people laugh at me but others know exactly what I mean.
I have
to be his voice so that he gets the help he needs.

I had a lot of fear but I know now that he will be just fine. It
doesn't
mean that he'll be the center of attention or the local sports jock all
round Canadian guy but he will be James...the animal lover, smart, and
funny
guy that he's already starting to show. He really does have a sense of
humor and we all just about split laughing with him at his funny
jokes. He
s come along way in a year and I'm so proud of him...I just want to
burst.
Doesn't mean the days are easy...some aren't but some are so good they
make
up for the bad.

I'm so hands on with his school and ABA ... I thought that the school
would
resent me but they actually don't mind...I'm so thankful for that.

Have to run now and get my little man out of the bath...that routine
thing
keeps life so much easier :)

Kathryn


-------Original Message-------

From: bebe vincent
Date: 06/11/05 20:00:09
To: autismaba@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [autismaba] Re: OT: Today is National Evidence of Harm Day

It's a shame that alot of times the medical community treats parents as
inferior, blithering idiots. There is one thing that a social worker
mentioned to me that makes more sense that anything really. The
bottom line
is that we as parents spend the most time with our children and know
them
better than anyone. The majority of us are not hypocontriacts (sp) and
intuitively know when there is something wrong with our child with out
having the specific diagnosis.

I won't say that VIncent was always completely typical. He was what
my mom
would call an "angel baby". Rarely cried, slept well, had a daily
routine
from the beginning, ate well. Late nights were rare with Vincent. He
really never had a vast vocabulary. BUT those last round of
innoculations
just pushed him over the edge so to speak. He just stopped engaging,
listening, participating, stopped eating most of the foods he had
really
enjoyed and the gaze oh that was the worst to have him start looking
through
me rather than at me and engaging with me.

I knew something was wrong. My then 18 year old knew something was
wrong he
was the one that first uttered the words "Mom do you think Vincent may
be
autistic"? He had read an article in Newsweek I believe that a woman
was
telling her story of her own autistic child who was an older mother
(over
35) who had been late term and difficult delivery (like his mom accept
that
Vincent never engaged he was c-section most difficult delivery the OB
had
done). "I told him Mario don't say that, I really hope not that scares
the
c%*p out of me" visions of the preconcieved notions of what autism was
before I started looking into autism. But I knew my older son was
right his
baby brother was autistic and began to accept it throughly then.

I never ranted at the Dr I wish I would have LOL. Good for you! I
have
learned more since then that no matter what I am the bottom line and I
cannot allow to let things slide by and completely "trust" the people
that
work with Vincent in any capacity. We are certainly more vigilant at
observation.



Eugene & Kathryn Dakin <ekdakin@...> wrote:
Have to agree with you on this one...James was perfect at his 12 month
check-up, he was talking and reacting completely normally. He had his
18mth
vaccine and within two weeks we thought he had gone deaf...he quit
talking,
starting lining up his toys all over the house, and wouldn't respond
to his
name. I also fought with our Dr and even threw a temper tantrum in his
office (while James was hiding in the basket under the stroller)...he
sure
jumped after that. He's been awesome ever since...I just sorry it took
a
grown woman's ranting to get our Dr. moving.

I also believe that the vaccines are NOT a cause but a trigger in
certain
children. I wish there was a way to screen the children before they
give
them that shot that is suppose to "save" them. I'm terrified to give
our
daughter her last set of shots and thankfully our Dr totally
understands and
isn't pushing us to get them because they are voluntary. I've booked
her
appointment 3 times and have cancelled each time because I'm frozen in
fear
of what it might do to her.

Kathryn


-------Original Message-------

From: bebe vincent
Date: 06/11/05 10:09:58
To: autismaba@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [autismaba] Re: OT: Today is National Evidence of Harm Day



I was holding out until the steam subsided on this any way.

Here goes....I am a parent with a child with autism...when my son
recieved
his last vaccinations he nearly simultantiously "lost his hearing".
The Dr
ordered a hearing test, we did Vincent's hearing was fine and the
audiologist and I both believed Vincent was autistic. In our case it
wasnt
rocket science, I didnt need medical school to tell me my son was
autistic
BUT when we went for our next appointment post hearing test the Dr
wanted to
WAIT 6 months and see what happend while Vincent "stimmed" his way
through
the exam room opening and closing drawers and doors in a rythmic
circle.
This is the same physician that saved my son's life and spent many
hours in
neonatal intensive care with Vincent. We were heart broken by the
physicians lack of dilligence with regard to the autism and left the
practice....even when it comes time when Vincent begins Kindergarten I
am
fearful of the next jab and have not decided whether to trust in our
vaccines. I cant say I trust our government or
pharmaceutical companies to protect our kids.

My personal opinion....predisposition with a trigger. Just my simple
uneducated opinion, but it seems rather logical. I mean if everyone is
getting the same vaccines and not everyone is autistic I dont think
you need
a degree to figure that one out either. But I am not a researcher,
physician or academic what do I know.

[ana1977]

--- In autismaba@yahoogroups.com, Lauren Askew <lauren_askew2003@...>
wrote:

Sorry, I am behind in checking emails. While this day has passed,
this issue has not; so I am going to take a quick moment of your time.
I am not a parent of a child with Autism, but I am a parent of an 8
month old child. When it came time for me to give her her first shot,
I must say that I did a double take and quickly refused. I needed
more time to make a decision (it was the day she was born of course,
so that they could give her the Hepetitis vaccine).

I do believe that it is a personal decision, but at least this book
gives parents another option for research. I have been in this field
since 1999, and I have heard many opinions on both side of the fence.
I have read several articles, studies, and books on the topic. I know
that I have not read everything out there, but both sides seem to have
compelling points.

I was lucky enough to get to hear David Kirby speak about his book in
person at a lecture in Durham, NC. What I really appreicate most
about this book, is the way he came at it. The first thing he said in
his lecture was that he is a reporter, he is not writing from one side
or the other; he is reporting facts, and those are facts from both
sides. He was ademant that he was not there to tell people what to do
and that he could not give his opinion on vaccinations.

During his presentation, he went over the studies that are used to
promote that mercury poisoning is not connected. He exposed how the
studies had changed their input critieria, (ex. adding in children
from 1-3), or used people who were institutionalized, etc. As anyone
who has taken statistics knows, you can make your stats say anything
you want...

While I continue my research before making my final decision, I think
that that their is something very important to remember... we need
books like Kirby's to bring attention to the issues. This controversy
has been around for years; the more popular it gets, the more people
that will demand the answers. If the answer is that Autism is not
related to mercury, then great! If the answer is that it is
connected, then we damn well better get it out of all of our
vaccinations (and quit shipping vaccines with the old-regualted amount
oversees to third world nations!).

I believe that the issue is not whether or not we should get rid of
vaccines, but how can we vaccinate safely.

Autism now affects 1 out of 166 children. There is something out
there that we are not seeing. It can not be that we have just gotten
better at diagnosing Autism.... where are the 1 out of 80 males that
are between 40-60 with Autism? Where are they hiding? We know that
there this is a genetic link, but why could it not also be
predisposition to something?

If you want a quick synopsis of the book, then you can go to Kirby's
website... www.evidenceofharm.com and click to see his powerpoint
presentation that he uses. Whether or not there is harm in vaccines,
there is definitely no harm in people educating themselves to make a
more informed decision.

Sorry, if I was long winded and my thoughts were jumbled... my baby
was up all night :)
Lauren


karen beauvais <jesusnowworld@...> wrote:
Lynn you are blessed. After hours of speech therapy my would produce a
few words then lose them. It was so sad. Then between the lapse of
early intervention and getting approved for the school to work with
him he lost it all. My speech therapist who was his first therapist at
the school said she thought he would never talk again.
The GFCF diet and a lot of home ABA helped produce the words again,
but we were not fortunate enough to get actual sentences and 2 way
speech until after chelation.
It has been a long road for us but we are seeing steady progress.
I hope and pray the same for you too. Please share what you did to
develope language as many Moms would give anything for just a few
words.
Karen


"Lisa R. Owen" <elisabeth724@...> wrote:
Lynn,

That's GREAT! How did you do it??? I'm always open to new ideas to
help
my son talk more and communicate more normally.

Lisa


At 03:21 PM 6/8/2005 -0300, you wrote:

>Karen,
>
> There are three autistics in this home. None had chrlation and
all can
>talk in sentences. They also did it without ABA.
>
> Go figure.
>
> Lyn C.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: autismaba@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:autismaba@yahoogroups.com]On
>Behalf Of karen beauvais
> Sent: June 8, 2005 2:46 PM
> To: autismaba@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [autismaba] Re: OT: Today is National Evidence of
Harm Day
>
>
> Here is some truth:
> Thimerosal is a known neuro-toxin.
> It was grandfathered in on FDA approval and did not have to go
through
>rigorous testing.
> The flu shot which is advised to pregnant Moms contains over the
EPA limit
>of Mercury in it.
> The Material Safety Data Sheet and the actually bottle label on
Thimerosal
>contain warnings that it can cause neuro damage.
> Thimerosal Free shots have been independently tested only to find
they are
>not Thimerosal Free but that's ok because the vaccine industry is
heavily
>protected by government agencies they are in bed with.
> Trying to stay under 300 words here.
> If you need more proof check out www.nomercury.org
> Just a little ABA sidenote. My son would not even be doing ABA
today
>without us removing Mercury through chelation. He had gone from
silence to
>talking thanks to chelation.
> I once dismissed Mercury's role in all this, until my kid had his
first
>dose of chelation and started speaking in sentences.
> Karen
> Karen
>
> mistarey <mistarey@...> wrote:
> Regina,
>
> Yes I am for reducing anything foreign into our bodies that
may be
> harmful. but I won't buy one book and act like it is the gospel
truth.
>
> Yesteday, I viewed a program on television that claimed
they can
>now
> detect a boaby is autistic by which way it flops its head. Which
would go
> against this books theory because this would mean autism in in the
child
> BEFORE it was ever vaccinated.
>
> Then ther are the theories that it is hereditary.
>
> A lot of opinions floating around, some based on some
scientific
> experimentation.
>
> Two of my kids are autistic. Instead of trying to figure out,
or buy
> into any current reason on how they got that way I am spending my
energies
> on improving their lives. Making the best of their reality as it
is.
>
> I don't have time to sit and read every new book on the
subject.
>If
> someone wants to take te time to write a one page synopsis of what
Kirby
>or
> anyone else is selling I'll read that. Tell me in 300 words (or
less) his
> main points and I'll take a look at it. If I can eventually find
his book
> at a library (I can't afford to buy it on a fixed income), I'll
see if I
> have time for it. In the mean time I'd rather spend the time with
my
>kids.
>
> Lyn C.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: autismaba@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:autismaba@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of rgcf541
> Sent: June 8, 2005 2:01 PM
> To: autismaba@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [autismaba] Re: OT: Today is National Evidence of Harm
Day
>
>
> I have mixed feelings about these crusades...
>
> If I want to buy another copy of the book, I will buy the book
> because I want to reread it, or as you said to pass on to someone
> else (assuming that they WILL read it), because I would like to
help
> Barnes and Noble increase their corporate income and Mr. Kirby
his
> bank account and help him become an even bigger celebrity than he
is
> now. I admit that there is a little bit of rueful sarcasm in that
> remark.
>
> Mr. Kirby wrote an intriguing tome and he is a compelling
speaker,
> but I wouldn't count on a book hitting the New York Times best
> seller list to do the job. I agree that public awareness of
autism
> and the need for more research on cause and effective treatment
is a
> good thing. It sounds on the surface, if all the fact-checking is
> correct that it wouldn't be amiss to ask for an independent audit
of
> some paperwork at the CDC, FDA and NIH.
>
> I want to get mercury out of vaccines, since the ability to
> manufacture thimerasol free alternatives exist and I concur that
> mercury and biology are not two things which desirably go
together.
> I want this matter practically settled soon before the
anti-vaccine
> shift starts becoming entrenched and we run a risk of losing
> our "herd immunity" or inadvertantly end up hurting, instead of
> helping children.
>
> I will also keep doing what I am doing:
>
> Writing to the President requesting that he not sign legislation
> containing hidden language to override state bans on thimerasol
in
> vaccines because of "national security" (see Senate Bill 3
currently
> in Senate Committee) and to support legislation supporting
> thimerasol removal and increased funding of autism research, per
his
> campaign promises,
>
> Write to the Surgeon General of the US, citing the Hippocratic
Oath,
> and asking him to wield his influence and public visibility to
make
> a statement on the value of vaccination and to support removal of
> thimerasol from pediatric vaccines,
>
> Write letters to my Congressional Representatives and Senators
> asking them to join the Congressional Autism Caucus and to
> draft/sponsor legislation banning thimerasol from those vaccines
in
> which it is still used, and to prohibit use of thimerasol
containing
> vaccines in pregnant women and children under the age of 6,
>
> Support any state legislation currently in my legislature
mandating
> such a ban at the state level, write the decisionmakers at any
level
> about my support and urge votes and passage. If our current bill
> dies in committee, I will ask my legislator to redraft such a
bill.
>
> Research and request a non-thimerasol alternative vaccine for
myself
> and my children in order to vote with my wallet in way that might
be
> meaningful to the vaccine manufacturer.
>
> And honestly, I don't know whether thimerasol "causes" autism; I
> suspect that as more and more data comes in, that the answers
will
> show that there are a considerable combination of biological and
> environmental factors to reckon with.
>
> I would just prefer to decrease my children's and my heavy metal
> load while the answers are being found.
>
> Regina F.
>

[ana1977]

http://www.evidenceofharm.com/


prezentare in power point

[ana1977]

a si apropo daca re alergie la ou copilul nu se vaccineaza antirujeolic

[azura]

Ana,sa inteleg ca in loc de ROR a zis sa faceti Trimovaxul?sau nu am inteles eu bine?As vrea sa stiu (daca nu-s indiscreta ..ce varsta are doc. voastra?e tanara?)
Eu stiu de la Ciombi ca in loc de Trimovax doc. ei i-a recomandat Priorixul care este englezesc cica.Asta, evident, in cazul in care vrei sa-i faci vacc.
Merci pentru linkuri.ma uit acum .

[trompi]

Merci...

[Brunhilda]

[oly76]

[OANA-B]

pai se face dupa un an, dar fiind epidemia de rujeola, noi (si multi altii) l-am facut la 7 luni!!!! ei, poftim!