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Forum CopilulMeu • View topic - uite si in Romania ce face vaccinul antirujeolic...

uite si in Romania ce face vaccinul antirujeolic...

Colici, reactii la vaccin, probleme de sanatate ale bebelusului. Povesteste-ne experienta ta!

Postby Brunhilda » Thu May 18, 2006 11:11 am

am uitat sa mentionez ca... nu am facut vaccinurile gratuite ci le-am cumparat de fiecare data tocmai pentru a evita problemele...
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Postby cristina_gl » Thu May 18, 2006 11:43 am

Ai dreptate, Brunhilda. Si eu cred ca medicii ar trebui sa informeze parintii in legatura cu posibilele efecte daunatoare. Ma gandesc insa si la partea cealalta, adica la faptul ca vaccinarile in masa au dus la disparitia unor boli fatale. Si cred ca mamicile care au spus ca renunta la vaccinare, numai dupa ce au citit pe forum, ar trebui totusi sa analizeze mai profund problema.
Nu mai stiu cine a spus aici ca, daca te gandesti numai la rau, atunci ai mai multe sanse sa se intample raul (n-a zis chiar asa, dar aceasta e ideea).
Cred ca trebuie sa cantarim foarte bine castigurile si riscurile inainte de a lua o decizie.
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Postby azura » Thu May 18, 2006 12:27 pm

Adanna, nu prea am mai avut timp sa intru pe forum,cum ti-a raspuns Brunhilda...pediatra noastra ne-a surprins placut ca nu a avut nici o reactie isterica cand a auzit ca nu-i facem vaccinul...ba chiar a fost foarte deschisa sa citeasca materialele ce le scosesem la imprimanta de pe net si care erau...un teanc cat casa!Ne-a zis de semnatura si atat.Acum astept sa mergem la urmatorul consult si sa vad ce-mi spune despre material! [:D]
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Postby azura » Thu May 18, 2006 12:46 pm

Liliat, vreau sa ma lamuresti si pe mine cu chestia asta:
"in mod sigur asistenta a efect.vaccinul fara un control riguros al copilului
i-a facut doar un examen clinic,ceea ce a vazut si din cateva intrebari pe care posibil sa le fii adresat mamei "........care-i diferenta intre ex. clinic si unul riguros?Noi inainte de fiecare vaccin de pana acum, mergeam la un consult, unde ped. se uita la bb dar nu foarte"amanuntit" si apoi peste cateva zile ne trimitea la vaccin in alta parte..timp in care evident, Luca se putea imbolnavi,nu?ah, ca stiam eu ca daca are ceva nu merg cu el la vaccin este altceva...dar cine mai controleaza azi riguros bb ?sunt si eu curioasa!

referitor la cine este pro si contra vaccinarilor,parerea mea este ca aici nu se formeaza 2 tabere si ca Brunhilda(cum zicea si ea)nu face nici o campanie antivacc.ci informeaza pur si simplu..evident este alegerea fiecaruia...poate daca ne-am informa mai mult, mult mai mult, nu am mai lua de bun multe din ceea ce suntem obisnuiti sa acceptam din start,in virtutea unor mosteniri socio-culturale,si am fi mai castigati.Eu personal am realizat treptat ca multe mituri legate de cresterea bb pot fi sparte daca reusesc sa caut mai adanc...(si pana acum am infirmat 2-acela ca daca tii mereu bb in brate "se obisnuieste asa"si ca daca doarme cu tine "nu-l mai dezveti pana la 3 ani"-Luca e super independent la 8 luni cat are acum si doarme singur in patut, asta de pe la 5 luni pentru ca asa a vrut el!)Evident, completare off-topic [:D] ca veni vorba de ce suntem invatati sa facem si ce nu!
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Postby cristina_gl » Thu May 18, 2006 2:42 pm

Nu mai spun nimic de vaccinuri, deoarece chiar nu vreau sa creez conflicte. Insa nici pe departe nu sunt genul care-si creste copiii dupa niste reguli transmise din mosi-stramosi, doar pentru ca asa si-au crescut ei copiii si aceste reguli au fost ,,bune". Sunt un om deschis la nou, sunt constienta ca societatea se schimba si trebuie sa ne schimbam si noi, nu ma racordez automat la psihologia de masa fara a analiza inainte daca ,,masa" are argumente sa actioneze intr-un anumit fel. Deci nu, nu accept vaccinurile pentru ca asa face ,,masa", pur si simplu consider ca e mai bine pentru Cezar.
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Postby Brunhilda » Thu May 18, 2006 2:42 pm

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Postby Brunhilda » Thu May 18, 2006 2:42 pm

"Concluzii:
Actul vaccinarii trebuie inteles, in ultima instanta, ca un act de introducere de material genetic strain direct in fluxul sanguin. Campaniile de vaccinare in masa au avut un impact covarsitor asupra populatiei, in sensul ca au condus, pe termen lung, la mutatii genetice imprevizibile si la alterarea in sens negativ a codului genetic uman. Legatura intre mutatiile genetice si oncogeneza la om a fost demonstrata stiintific, iar cresterea incidentei si mortalitatii prin cancer este o realitate a zilelor noastre. Pe de alta parte, aparitia virusurilor atipice, nemaiintalnite pana acum, legate de contaminarea vaccinurilor, arata ca in momentul in care orice material biologic este introdus direct in curentul sanguin, posibilitatile de contaminare sunt practic nelimitate si imposibil de controlat la nivelul stiintei actuale.

Comunitatea medicala, care de bunavoie a depus juramantul lui Hippocrat, careia societatea i-a incredintat nobila grija pentru sanatatea populatiei, si care este respectata in plan social tocmai pentru acestea, este chemata la reformularea atitudinii fata de vaccinare in general. Medicii de familie, aflati in
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Postby Brunhilda » Thu May 18, 2006 2:47 pm

"Inainte de introducerea vaccinarii in masa impotriva rujeolei, incidenta maxima a bolii apartinea grupei de varsta 5-9 ani. In aceasta grupa de varsta boala imbraca de obicei forme usoare la copiii cu imunitate normala, cu status nutritional si igienic rezonabile. Spre deosebire de boala naturala care confera imunitate pe viata, vaccinul ofera protectie doar cativa ani, astfel ca unul din efectele cele mai vizibile ale vaccinarii in masa importiva rujeolei a fost schimbarea distributiei pe grupe de varsta a bolii, cu scaderea incidentei in grupa 5-9 ani, si cresterea incidentei bolii in randul sugarilor, adolescentilor si adultilor, grupe de varsta la care riscul si severitatea complicatiilor sunt mult mai mari. Cresterea incidentei rujeolei in randul sugarilor se datoreaza cresterii numarului de mame care, fiind vaccinate in copilarie, nu au imunitate naturala contra rujeolei pe care sa o transmita transplacentar nou-nascutului"
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