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Forum CopilulMeu • View topic - iMPARTASANIA-CIT DE DES?

iMPARTASANIA-CIT DE DES?

Nu e usor sa fii parinte... nici bebelus! Dorinta de a da viata si miracolul nasterii!
Dieta. Bebelusul tau vrea sa-i vorbesti. El intelege tot ce ii spui.

Postby crisalex » Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:31 am

Eu sunt de parere ca un copil ar trebui impartasit indiferent daca a mancat sau nu dar mai sunt si preoti care nu inteleg ca nu ai cum sa-i spui unui copil mic ca trebuie sa stea nemancat pana se impartaseste.
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Postby ana1977 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:37 pm

eu am intrebat preotul si mi-a zis ca inainte de botez nu se impartaseste copilul. voi asa stiti? eu inca nu am botezat fetita asa ca...........
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Postby cristina2012 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:46 pm

Buna Ana!Incerc sa-ti raspund si sper sa ma pot face inteleasa.
Pana la botez nimeni nu are voie sa se impartaseasca, nu are logica. Sf. Impartasanie e tupul si sangele lui Hristos, e ceva real, nu e simbolul trupului si al sangelui. Noi atunci Il primim pe Hristos in sufletul si trupul nostru, ne unim cu el, ceea ce ne face "purtatori de Hristos". Ei bine, Hristos nu poate patrunde intr-o casa in care nu i s-a deschis usa. Nu poate fi insusit de un om care inca nu I s-a daruit Lui. Prin Taina Botezului, omul a murit si s-a ingropat cu Hristos (scufundarea de 3 ori in cristelnita = ingroparea de 3 zile), si a renascut pentru o noua viata in Dumnezeu. E o cu totul alta viata decat cea dinainte de botez. In acest moment "zapisul datoriei", care il leaga pe om de pacat, de firea denaturata de pacatul stramosesc, "zapisul" acesta e rupt, datoria omului respectiv a fost platita de Hristos cu suferinta Sa. Omul e rascumparat de Hristos si de acum apartine Imparatiei Tatalui (ca cetatean si ca fiu, nu ca rob al acestei Imparatii).
Din aceste motive este bine ca copilul sa fie botezat cat mai devreme. De obisnuieste sa se faca botezul la 40 de zile, pentru ca abia atunci poate fi si mama prezenta la slujba (atunci i se citeste molifta pentru iesirea si lauzie). E foarte bine sa fie asa, nu dupa spusele babelor cum ca trebuie sa stea acasa mama.
Practic nici in biserica nu are voie sa intre copilul inainte de botez. Cand se face botezul mai intai se citesc niste molifte in pronaos si abia dupa ce se rostesc lepadarile (nasa spune pentru copil "m-am lepadat de satana", "m-am unit cu Hristos") si se rosteste Crezul (adica principiile de baza ale crestinismului ortodox sunt acceptate de noul crestin, prin gura nasei si cu garantia participantilor),abia atunci se intra in biserica (naos).
Liturghia e impartita in doua parti: prima in care se fericirile, Apostolul si Evanghelia si se tine predica, are rol pedagogic si la ea puteau asista catehumenii (cei care aspirau sa devina crestini) si acestia stateau in pronaos, nu aveau voie sa patrunda in spatiul sacru; cea de-a doua parte era rezervata numai celor care se impartaseau, ceilalti trebuiau sa iasa in acest moment. Aceasta parte cuprinde crezul (marturie a apartenentei la Biserica Lui Hristos), Sfintirea Darurilor, transformarea Lor, prin interventia Duhului Sfant, in trupul si sangele Lui Hristos, impartasirea cu Sf. Taine si rugaciunea Tatal nostru.
Sper sa nu para prea complicat ceea ce am scris. Am detaliat subiectul pentru ca sa se inteleaga de ce nu ne putem impartasi inainte de botez, sa nu para ca ar fi o indepartare neintemeiata. Si am insistat putin asupra botezului, pentru ca e un moment cu mare insemnatate si e trist sa-l saracim privindu-l ca pe o ceremonie.
DOAMNE AJUTA!
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Postby cristina2012 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:48 pm

Ana-Maria, astept intariri!
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Postby ana1977 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:31 pm

ok. asa ma gandeam si eu. nu te poti impartasi daca nu esti botezat, dar citind aici am vazut ca unele mamici duceau copii de la o luna. banuiesc, si imi cer scuze daca gresesc, ca nu erau botezati. am crezut ca exista vreo cutuma in privinta copiilor.
ceea ce scrii tu cu statul in pronaos o fi fost acum te baga in biserica in unele parti si cate 15 copii odata impreuna cu toti invitatii, neamurile si nasii si acolo face toata slujba.
si eu stiam de exemplu ca atunci cand iti citeste molifta dupa ce ai nascut aceasta se citeste inafara bisericii sau in pronaos in cel mai bun caz. tin sa-ti spun ca preotul meu (care in alte privinte e litera cartii) m-a bagat in biserica e drept undeva langa usa, dar oricum...........
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Postby cristina2012 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:54 pm

Nu am terminat teologia, ci istoria. De fapt n-am terminat ca n-am mai apucat sa-mi dau licenta... a trecut mult de atunci. M-am tinut insa in facultate mai pe aproape de istoria Bisericii.
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Postby cristina2012 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:58 pm

LAMURIRE: Pridvorul e cel din fata usii, pronaosul e prima incapere din biserica, deci in interiorl bisericii, urmeaza naosul (nava), cu stranele in lateral si altarul.
Daca erai in biserica langa usa, inseamna ca erai in pronaos.
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Postby ana1977 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:02 pm

ma refeream la usa ce desparte naosul de pronaos pe partea interioara adica in naos
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