uite si in Romania ce face vaccinul antirujeolic...

[Brunhilda]

O evolutie asemanatoare a avut-o si parotidita urliana (oreionul); dupa introducerea vaccinarii in masa, incidenta maxima a bolii s-a deplasat de la copii prescolari catre adolescenti si adulti.

Se stie ca orhita posturliana (inflamatia testiculului) ca si celelalte complicatii ale bolii sunt mai probabile si mai grave la aceste grupe de varsta (12-p.32).

Vaccinarea in copilarie impotriva rubeolei impiedica, intr-adevar, boala la copil. Lipsa contractarii bolii naturale in copilarie face ca femeile sa riste contractarea bolii la varsta procrearii.

Survenita in copilarie, rubeola este o boala usoara, de multe ori fiind confundata cu o raceala banala, pe cand contractata in timpul primelor trei luni de sarcina implica un risc teratogen confirmat pentru embrion.

Existenta cazurilor de poliomielita indusa post-vaccinal este o realitate acceptata de toate forurile mondiale ale sanatatii si de catre lumea stiintifica medicala. Entitatea clinica a primit numele de

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[Brunhilda]

[azura]

Pur si simplu asa mi se pare mie ca nu-l consulta amanuntit, cel putin cum povestesti tu..in nici un caz...temp.de ex. nu i-a luat-o niciodata...de-asta intrebam sa vad daca numai pediatra noastra face asa..ad. il cantareste, masoara, cand a fost mai frig nici nu-l dezbraca numai daca voiam eu sa-i arat ceva anume ,imi scrie ce sa-i mai dau sa pape,se uita la fontanela,in gat,si acum ultima data daca sta in fundunel si cam atat.apoi urmeaza intrebarile mele si gata consultatia! si la vaccin... peste 3 zile de la consult, ne trimite la o clinica unde are doc. o asistenta care face la bb vacc. fara sa se uite la el!

[Trix]

Eu am facut doua (la 2 si la 3 luni)si intentionez sa le fac pe toate urmatorul e la 4 luni dar il fac la 5 luni si jumatate iar cand vin in Romania sa fac si vaccinul pneumococic si TBC-ul care aici nu se fac gratuit si in Romania sunt mai ieftine.

Pana acum am facut Infanrix hexa si in afara de febra la al doilea nu a avut alta reactie.Pe mine m-au vaccinat cand eram mica si nu am facut bolile copilariei. Daca si piticul meu este scutit de o suferinta in plus eu sunt fericita. Incidenta cazurilor nefericite este foarte mica, iar exemplele sunt respectivele exceptii, asa ca nu vreau mai tarziu sa imi spun "nu i-am facut vaccinurile si s-a imbolnavit". Este alegerea mea si nu ma poate convinge nimeni sa fac altceva.

Pe Rares il examineaza foarte atent peste tot inainte de a-i face vaccinul, inclusiv intrebari despre mediu in care creste, mancare, tip de lapte, boli in familie etc.

[cristina_gl]

Si medicul meu de familie ii examineaza pe copii inainte de intepatura: temperatura, auscultatie la inima si plamani, se uita in gat, plus cateva intrebari (cum doarme, cum si ce mananca, cum e kk etc). In plus, ne atentioneaza ca inainte cu trei zile de vaccin sa luam intrarectal temperatura copiilor dimineata si seara. Nu mi se pare nici mie normal ca un doctor sa examineze copilul si sa-l trimita la vaccin in alta parte, peste trei zile.

[mikidutzza]

Uite care sunt vaccinarile"obligatorii":

[Brunhilda]

din pacate... le-am facut pana la antirujeolicul de la 7 luni (inclusiv)...
pentru ca ...nu am stiut nimic din ce v-am aratat aici.
in afara de DT la 2 ani nu mai facem nici un alt vaccin ever...

[ana1977]

noi am facut ieri vaccinul de 6 luni si am vorbit cu dr. a zis ca la 7 luni se face antirujeolicul dar il pot amana pana pe la 9-10 luni dupa care semnatura. mi-a zis ca nu e sing vaccinare deci argumentul ca va face la maturitate nu exista, se face rapel la 1.5ani la 7 ani si la fete in clasa a 8-a. la fel si pt celelalte 2 se mai fac 1sau 2 rapeluri sansele sa faca boala fiind minime la maturitate. mi-a zis ca nu poate garanta 100% ca nu va avea efecte nedorite, dar mi-a zis ca sunt direct raspunzatoare daca refuz sa fac. a mai zis ca in buc ea nu mai stie cazuri de rujeola de ani multi a si uitat cum arata dar in afara bucurestiului se schimba problema fiindca in tara vaccinarile (ma refer la sate) nu sunt prea riguroase.
mi-a zis ca ROR e retras dupa piata si de fapt cel de dinainte era raspunzator de tot felu de chestii. trimovaxul are alta combozitie nefiind la fel de daunator cica nici nu sunt facute de aceeasi firma. trimovaxul e facut de aventis pasteur din cate stiu eu.
de mercur in vaccin nu stia dar se intereseaza.
vaccinarea cu arthiv si cel contra hepatitei a mi-a recomandat dupa 1 an. a zis ca prea multe vaccinuri cauzeaza sistemului imunitar facand posibile mai tarziu boli autoimune.
va trimit mai departe o serie de discutii de pe forumurile din afara, din pacate sunt in engleza sper sa nu va suparati:

[ana1977]

--- In autismaba@yahoogroups.com, Andrea Hawkins <wonderwoman404@...>
wrote:

Many of the families I've worked for strongly believe their child was
developing typically until they had their shots. As far as I know, no
studies have backed this up. They can't pinpoint what does or doesn't
cause autism. One of my dear friends has a daughter with autism and I
saw the loss of language and skills after her child was given shots.
I'd err on the side of caution. But, nobody else has to live with the
decisions you make. Do what you think is best for your child and don't
let anyone force you to go against what you believe in. Good luck!
Andrea

ettinashee <ettinasatot@...> wrote:
Dead viruses can't make someone ill. If a vaccine containing only
dead viruses causes illness, it is unrelated to the viruses.
Sometimes kids are allergic to some of the ingredients in vaccines,
such as eggs - I don't know if it is available, but an egg-less
vaccine could easily be made. If there are live viruses, they are
weakened, but if combined with normal dead viruses or given to an
immuno-deficient person they can cause the illness they are intended
to protect the person from. No currently used vaccine has both live
and dead viruses in the same injection. If a child is HIV positive,
or has something similar to that, they are not given vaccines.
Stress can cause autistic kids to loose skills. In the early ages
mild autism is very hard to see. I've heard accounts by autistic
people who seemed to become autistic, who said the autistic thought
patterns were there all along, but sensory or other issues worsened.
As a child I just seemed gifted until I entered school, had I lost
skills before then, It would likely have looked like I became
autistic at that time.
My brother is not autistic, but he has a lot of autistic tendencies.
My dad is probably undiagnosed autistic. My mom has a small number
of autistic tendencies. Many paternal relatives of mine have
autistic traits and/or learning differences, such as undiagnosed
dyslexia in my uncle. My grandfather sounds like he had some
autistic traits.
Ettina
--- In autismaba@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Hume" <toddhume@m...> wrote:
>
> Sharon,
> If you are uncomfortable about the shot, which I would be too. I
would tell the physician:
> 1) I am not willing to expose my child to viruses, whether the
viruses are dead or alive or in any other form.
> 2) I will wait until my child is school age. They may say it is
harder on them to get them all at once when they are older. or
> 3) It is against my religious tenets to have my child immunized.
They cannot continue to harass you after you tell them this.
>
> In any case, please wait! My son went to the emergency room the
night he received his vaccination. He had a fever of 105 which they
told me was related to the shots, then he slept for a day. When he
woke up he was never the same. He lost what few words he
knew. "Hi", "Bye Bye", "Boo", Ni..Ni (night..night), etc and within
weeks he was no longer engaged with anyone in our house. His motor
skills changed dramatically too. Walking on his toes, pushing his
head across the floor, flapping his hands. I am convince the
vaccination turned my normal little boy into an autistic child.
>
> Geraldine Dawson, a well know scientist and widely respected
doctor at the Autism Center in Washington University has said over
and over again that while vaccines may not cause autism they
certainly can trigger the neurological reactions that make a brain
pre-disposed to autism and autistic characteristics.
>
> You are wise to question this. Good luck and God Bless
>
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: Sharon
> To: autismaba@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 3:42 PM
> Subject: [autismaba] vaccine question
>
>
> Hi everyone. I am new to this group and I think it is great.
So
> much information that it's hard to take it all in. I have two
sons
> dx'ed with mild autism, 8 and 4. I just gave birth to my third
son.
> I am very concerned with the vaccinations. I declined the hep B
shot
> but am dreading his 2 month exam. Does anyone have any
suggestions
> to what route I should go. I was told that they changed the
> vaccinations but how can I know for sure. Has anyone decline
> vaccinations altogether and is there anyone out there that have
more
> than one child with autism or who have given birth recently?
Thanks
> in advance for all your help. Sharon